UNITED 328 Engine Failure! WHAT CHECKLISTS did the pilots use? Explained by CAPTAIN JOE

Hi, I respectfully disagree with two of your points beginning at 3:40 and 8:00. I come from an engineering background, and have been employed as a pilot for a major airline for more than a decade. I am currently qualified on the Boeing 787. My opinion highlights why it is premature to comment or speculate on aviation incidents prior to facts and final reports are published. At 3:40 you say that it’s likely that while transitioning to a cruise climb that the power increase caused the fan blade to fail. There would not normally have been any major power changes at that point of the flight. The aircraft would have accelerated from about 250 knots, but that is accomplished by lowering the nose and allowing the aircraft to accelerate with the same thrust setting. I acknowledge that the trust setting isn’t actually constant, and that the FADEC is programmed to make constant, small changes to climb thrust due to environmental conditions. Many engine failures do occur with large thrust changes, but this usually occurs at the beginning of the takeoff roll, thrust reduction from takeoff to climb thrust, and application of go-around thrust. The video from @VASAviation, linked below, outlines the radar tape and communications of the affected flight. From 8000 feet to approximately 12,000 feet, there is a constant acceleration from 260 knots to 320 knots with no apparent level offs. Therefore, there is no reason to believe any significant thrust changes have occurred. You then go on to explain, incorrectly, what an uncontained engine event/failure is. Uncontained engine failure is when an engine fan blade fails and penetrates the containment ring of the engine case, not the engine cowling. The cowling is the outer covering of the engine that we can see. It contains the ancillary systems of the engine. On February 22nd, the NTSB considers this event to be contained. For an example of an uncontained engine failure, see example of Qantas 32, links below to the ATSB report and Wikipedia page. At 8:00, you state that the extinguishing agent is discharged into the turbine. This is also not correct. The extinguisher is discharged into the engine compartment. In the case of UA328, this would have been ineffective because the engine cowling is required to contain the agent within the compartment to be effective. Aircraft engine fire systems are not designed to control fires within the combustion sections of the actual engine. Also, the visible fire is not likely fuel fed, as the NTSB determined that the firewall fuel shut-off valve (spar valve) was found in the commanded, off position, post flight. I’m not sure if the HYD PRESS, L checklist would have needed to be accomplished. It is possible that the L hydraulic demand pump (electric) automatically took over pumping duties. On the 787, it is not routine to need to complete hydraulic checklists following engine failures, fires and severe damage events in simulator training. It is critical that we as pilots do not speculate on causal factors prior to known facts being published. The NTSB and other governmental investigative agencies offer only factual evidence in their updates and do not assign blame. Their mandate is to determine cause and prevent further occurrences. By speculating, you are potentially propagating inaccuracies that only fuel the spread of mis-information among the travelling public, who are mostly laypeople. Had you waited one extra day to publish this video, you could have had valuable information with which to produce a more accurate description of the incident. Instead, you hastily posted this with the intention of gaining views and being the first to report the news. www.NTSB.gov: NTSB Issues Investigative Update for United Airlines Flight 328 Engine Failure Event www.avherald.com: Incident: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine, engine fire VASAviation: trlists.info/dron/fG6O3Z5ujMuXqJk/video www.atsb.gov.au: Investigation: AO-2010-089 - In-flight uncontained engine failure Airbus A380-842, VH-OQA, overhead Batam Island, Indonesia, 4 November 2010 www.wikipedia.org: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32?wprov=sfti1

fuel jetting was not necessary ? Or I missed in your description

Great video! What lights up is the fast talking of the ATC... also before the mayday. He really talks fast, he talks like a auction leader calling out the bids! You foreign pilots never have problems understanding this? I can imagine it can be hard sometimes. Gr Pascal, aircraft engineer

So did the fire suppression not work or is the video with it on fire early in the event?

Love the video! I wonder if the pilot had to jettison fuel in order to land so early?

I listened to the CVR and it took 11 seconds for Denver DEV to respond to UAL328’s MAYDAY call

Great video. Thank you sir.

I would have sharted in my pants I think if I was on that flight.......especially when hearing the huge boom.... and if sitting on that side of the engine and getting the view............probably said the f word a few times.... several actually! and ordered a couple drinks!!

Can you imagine if anyone on the ground... (ie) kids were outside at the time when that huge piece of engine shroud came down to the ground. So lucky that nobody was hurt or killed!.... I lived in Denver for more than a decade and the airport... the newest one........is far away from the city. Is it usual for aircraft to be this old. I flew from Denver once to Hawaii, it was not too long after the top was peeled off one and sucked out a flight attendant. and our flight was in a thunderstorm trying to land. That plane shook so bad, scariest flight I have ever been on! Everyone I want those pilots on my next plane ride..... they were awesome!!!!

GE had a similar fan blade break up many years ago. You 'd think they would have eliminated the problem by now.

Well done and explained video

Great play by play analysis thank you sir. 👍 Great teamwork!! 🛩

In the Navy gas turbine ship I recall actual call "Engineering casualty, engineering casualty, class B fire 1B GTM, MER1. This is not a drill". Repetitive training does pay off in the actual casualty. It save lives. Prevent further damage and costly repairs.

They made a tight left u turn and could have lined up for the runway they took off from. That would have been the quickest route to landing. My question is why would they buy time in the air by passing up that runway and circling in from the opposite direction, just to complete the checklists, when they could have set down sooner? Should a crippled air craft try to stay in the air to complete checklists if they are inline for a much quicker landing? That seems like they are taking a much bigger chance of crashing by staying up! Please clear up this question of landing immediately or staying aloft to complete checklists! I feel they should have landed sooner on the same runway without completing checklists since it was offered to them. Thanks. Great video. Jpol.

I hope the entire flight crew gets a raise.

What happened to the exes fuel on the plane? I understand pilots must dump in the air the remaining fuel on the fuel tanks before landing to reduce the risk of fire.

If that sucker lands in my yard, good luck getting it back !

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God bless the professionals

These people are so lucky they had someone that could stay calm and handle the situation. The training these pilots receive is top notch as they always have so many lives in their hands. Great job pilots!

What does the NTSB personnel do when they're not investigating on an accident? Would be interesting to know about their stories like if they're engineers and they are called out from their ordinary job to work for the emergency for a period of time.

Fantastic explanation in its entirety. Also, excellent calm composure of all involved is very crucial. For the safe landing and passengers safety, a big kudos to every one!

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My husband was Chief Flight Engineer for an air freight co. He said that computers replacing the F/Es was a very bad idea and time would prove him right.

Great video and information

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Remids me that MAYDAY episode when the stupid pilots turn off the good engine and only relied on the turbine that was on fire and they all died... Let know the flying attendant if you see something wrong... tell them is the wright turbine .. tell the pilot is the wright turbine on fire... do not turn off the left turbine.. wright turbine of fire, left turbine is OKKK WRIGHT TURBINE IS ON FIRE!!!!!! Lol..

Good analysis

Mens and women vs boys and girls. Praise was given to all hear. It was different though depending on whether you were the men and women pilots flying the plane vs those boys and girls that are cabin crew holding everything and everyone together in the rear.

Thanks for this excellent video! Do you know if any fuel had to be dumped during this incident? And assuming fuel needs to be dumped in a situation like this, are measures taken to do so over uninhabited areas?

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If the FAA warned you a Boeing Plane had a 35% chance of crashing, would you fly in that plane? If your a simple moron you would. 65% success rate on a Vaccine for people over 65 years is extremely poor odds. Trudeau is dicing and playing with death with the old people, He at best is offering a plane crash.

"But the NTSB report will state what the actual cause was for the engine failure" I find idiotic statements like this to be hilarious. ( A very dense - heavy FAN BLADE BROKE APART while spinning at high speed. ANYONE can see it missing etc . . )

Great video Joe

Great explanation Captain Joe! I (a non-pilot-type) learned a lot. Will be waiting for your NTSB report FOLLOW UP video! Thanks! Reno, NV

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Fly safe Joe.

Capt Joe this is great analysis and commentary. The voice of a PRO.... from retired UAL Captain

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Very good, well explained by SFO Joe. Nice video.

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Engine exploded. There you go.

God bless you

Great video as usual! 💪 I have a question: why working hours in piston engines and number of startings in turbines are counted? Is it related with bearings for turbine shaft (I suppose that will be oil or gas bearings) or is it some other reason? I can't find answer and Captain Joe will know for sure 😁 Thanks!

I admire his aircraft knowledge

You’re not a captain mate /probably a decent FO though 👍😀

I was wondering, how airports deal with power outages or electric system failures?

Good job

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Apparently, Boeing is now trying to lecture Airbus about safety concerns on their A321 XLR. When will they shut up and solve their concerns first?

I assumed our aviation industry, pilots, crew, traffic controllers ,etc are very competent and capable. But I never realized how great these people really are. Outstanding team work and an amazing analysis by captain Joe. I just subscribed and can’t wait to watch more. It makes me feel very proud of our airline industries in the free world. 2 pilots are a must.

Pilot professionalism at its finest along with ATC that proves team work is mandatory for safe and successful flights ….

I think its pretty clear what the cause was.... clearly, someone didn't turn off their cell phone

United + Hawaii = Bad Combination. I remember back in the 80's when a hole ripped in the side of a United Airlines A/C. 9 died.

You remind me of a dodgy snake oil salesman.

Fantastic explanation of problems and solutions. Emphasis on team effort obviously necessary. Thanks for your expertise.

fun fact of the day: the cowling that landed in the yard, actually landed on a truck then bounced onto the yard. truck was totaled

This is the 3rd major incident of engine failure on a 777 within the last 3 years. Have a look at the interview Captain Benham gave on another youtube channel after the UAL1175 incident in 2018. This is what happens when airlines and manufacturers get stingy with seat mile costs and force 4 engined aircraft out of production.

Amazingly insightful video!

thanks captain Joe!

11:35 - GRASP ???

Hi Joe! Thats a great Video. You could so some more Videos from incidents with happy end. What so you think about that? Müssen ja keine Abstürze sein. Ich finde das unglaublich interessant, was die Piloten dann machen. In dem Fall im Video ist es ja zum Glück auch gut ausgegangen.

Excellent, thanks Capt Joe

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Great rundown of events. Very thorough. Passed this to my son who wants to be a pilot. Watch this guys videos. Good stuff.

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Awesome video! Very nicely done. Thanks for putting together a video on this situation. I was looking forward to this.

On a motorcycle you are taught to rev the engine during a u-turn as the spinning engine acts as gyroscopic stabilization. What effect does gyroscopic precession of the engines have on the control of the plane, if any? I guess it would effect pitch and yaw?

Would have been more difficult to do before China Virus.

Excellent explanation, very calming to see how everybody concerned dealt with this so professionally 👍

Time for the important question: Can they keep the inlet cuz I know I would want to.

“ with you “ if i say that, other pilots would say i do not sound professional

Fascinating breakdown! Huge kudos to the pilots and ATC

You don't turn into the damaged or failed engine because of lack of lift. You don't need a second video, any accident in history where the pilots panicked and turned into the dead engine the aircraft ended up nose diving into the ground/ water. I just saved you another 20 minutes of your life.

Tried to watch this video in Airplane mode but it didn't load 😒

Hey Joe, is it flat?

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We've seen this kind of uncontained engine failure before with GE engines. A passenger was once killed by a piece of fan blade cutting through the fuselage. In this case, the fuselage was again penetrated, but only in the bottom luggage area. I believe Rolls-Royce engines are designed to contain such events. Why aren't GE engines designed with safety in mind.

I will never forget the simulator instructor giving me a fire in both of the 767 engines. The dick! grinzzz.

Very educational thanks you

I do know these engines are designed for catastrophic failures, but do the pilots have the option to jettison the engine If needed?

I'm still a bit confused about the turning preference. I hope you could help explain me. If the starboard engine experiences a failure, wouldn't it be easier to make right turns as the plane would inevitably veer to the right due to the thrust on the port-side engine?

Great commentary and analysis.Joe .

He delayed the landing for the check list. I don't get it

First time watcher of one of your videos. Fantastic material and excellently described. Thank you!

Hey Joe, do you know who was PF and who was on the radio?

Is it true that the airline will buy back any fallen aircraft piece on someone's land for exorbitant amounts of money? Back in the '80s I heard something like $1000 per kg. So basically did they make a millionaire out of the lucky house owner?

👍SUPER👍Great Video!👍Like

Leave it to air crash investigation

Hey how many Indians are watching this ?

Excellent analysis Sir

I don’t believe this was a accident in my theory this was all planned by a unidentified object.

So are you a captain or a first officer?

Oh Captain my Captain. Regarding the left-hand turn to go back to KDEN. Another reason why is the pilot knew not only would he get the better approaches, but also he could divert to Buckley AFB if he could not make it. Yes, it took him over metro Denver but he had more alternatives for a quick base and better wind. We had 13 gusting 22 that day due to a low front.

Are checklists more important than landing the plane immediately? Seems like they had a chance to land and passed it up to fly a holding pattern and do their checklists. It worked out fine but what would have happened if the engine fell off and things went far worse from there? Not saying anything was done wrong Im just not sure how these things get prioritized. Good video

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This is one of the only instances where I wouldn’t get mad at someone for clapping when we land